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Miss Persephone · Nov 14, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Really great job on the update, I'm loving what they've done here. It's great that this should bring players back to elite factions missions, factions pvp, less grind for LB/sunspear etc, and I really commend the team for their hard work and effort.

However, I just wish this had been done a long time ago. It's great that finally AnEt are concentrating on fixing and balancing things, but it does seem a little late for seasoned players. I'm not really of the opinion that these titles should be retroactive, but for all the old players out there (myself included), I've already been through each game with numerous characters, done all the missions, VQed everywhere... and the rewards, as enticing as they are, aren't going to persuade me to repeat everything again. So good job on making the game much more balanced and interesting for those players who havn't yet experienced all that GW has to offer, and I sincerely hope that the lessons learnt in GW1 will be applied in GW2 from the very beginning.

kostolomac · Nov 14, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

This update made me reinstall the game , i guess this proves of it's quality.

Takeko Nakano · Nov 14, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by kostolomac

This update made me reinstall the game , i guess this proves of it's quality.

I think this comment proves my point made on another thread.

This update is designed to get people back into the game who had left, or get people to play who were not doing much. Nothing for experienced players who have been there and done that.

Thanks, ANet, we feel really appreciated. How do we get something - by dropping the Guild Wars series and playing WoW for a year or two?

Biggey D · Nov 14, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Ya whats with all these updates designed to help out new characters. Theyre peddy ass updates too. M.O.X. and Fire Imp were a joke. Nothing quite new or special. Lets see some new content on the 40% of unused map in each campaign. This update was just a bunch more of what is already in the game. Pretty much just increasing the acquiring rate of everything. Sooner or later money drops is gonna be x10 and gold weapons x5 etc. Lame. Quit being lazy Anet.

Zeff Nut · Nov 14, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

When any company goes back and changes the way things work, in any industry, you dont simply cast aside those who were with you from the start. The rewards should have been retroactive and fair, given the time investments spent by those working towards them when they were first available.

Screw Anet.

Not sure how you can say this, an example is the auto industry (since you say any industry), say you go spend 70k on a sweet new luxury car, has everything you you think air, tilt, power everything, premium sound system, you're happy as a pig in shit.... next years model comes out, costs 65k and has nav system, OnStar type system, backup camera, more horsepower better mileage, do you say screw you car company, I bought my car last year and I didn't get all that cool stuff QQ I want it now, I bought my car last year I deserve it. What do you think think the car company would say

Turbobusa · Nov 14, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

That is a perfect update. Not sure about the FA vengeance of the gods reduced time tho

Takeko Nakano · Nov 14, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Zeff Nut

Not sure how you can say this, an example is the auto industry (since you say any industry), say you go spend 70k on a sweet new luxury car, has everything you you think air, tilt, power everything, premium sound system, you're happy as a pig in shit.... next years model comes out, costs 65k and has nav system, OnStar type system, backup camera, more horsepower better mileage, do you say screw you car company, I bought my car last year and I didn't get all that cool stuff QQ I want it now, I bought my car last year I deserve it. What do you think think the car company would say

That's a terrible example - he wasn't proposing that at all.

To make your comparison work, what ANet have done is the equivalent of offering an upgrade to people who have left their car in the garage or just used it for shopping if they drive their car more, whereas people have driven it around the whole country get nothing to recognise the fact they loved the car as much as they could.

kratimas · Nov 14, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Zeff Nut

Not sure how you can say this, an example is the auto industry (since you say any industry), say you go spend 70k on a sweet new luxury car, has everything you you think air, tilt, power everything, premium sound system, you're happy as a pig in shit.... next years model comes out, costs 65k and has nav system, OnStar type system, backup camera, more horsepower better mileage, do you say screw you car company, I bought my car last year and I didn't get all that cool stuff QQ I want it now, I bought my car last year I deserve it. What do you think think the car company would say

QFT!!!!!

I wish all these people would STFU and realize ANet owes them nothing.
You are the one that chose to spend that time farming (points, rep...) whatever. ANet in no way ever forced you to do any of that. A title in a video game means nothing in RL so, if you decide to put all your free time into grinding said title then that is your choice and no one else is to blame but yourself.

So, please all you whiney little bit...s STFU and go play WoW.
Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out! (or do let it either way is fine as long as you go away!)

NeHoMaR · Nov 14, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by AerisAMP

nope. the nightfall book starts with Consulate Docks.
The first NF mission gets you a page in Young Heroes of Tyria.

Thanks!!!

Oh! and I insist we need something for storing that books, that a lot of books.

Kook~NBK~ · Nov 14, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Screw Anet. Its not QQ at all to have invested so many hours on Protectors and Guardian titles and then have it not count at all.

Awww... did they take your titles away? They didn't take mine!

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When any company goes back and changes the way things work, in any industry, you dont simply cast aside those who were with you from the start.

I've got a 20 year old pick up truck that needs to have updated emission controls, improved mileage, air-bags, CD player, and a myriad of other things that the Ford Motor Company changed in their F-150 line over the years. By your logic, Ford owes me BIG-TIME!!!

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The rewards should have been retroactive and fair, given the time investments spent by those working towards them when they were first available.

You feel cheated out of the rewards because you already did the missions? In HM? If you weren't statisfied with the rewards for doing them prior to the update, Why did you do them?

I'll say it again for those who've missed it: You have lost NOTHING by the changes in this update (unless you're a bot farmer trying to generate gold doing HFFF runs).

Gill Halendt · Nov 14, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Zeff Nut

Not sure how you can say this, an example is the auto industry (since you say any industry), say you go spend 70k on a sweet new luxury car, has everything you you think air, tilt, power everything, premium sound system, you're happy as a pig in shit.... next years model comes out, costs 65k and has nav system, OnStar type system, backup camera, more horsepower better mileage, do you say screw you car company, I bought my car last year and I didn't get all that cool stuff QQ I want it now, I bought my car last year I deserve it. What do you think think the car company would say

Why do I suspect that most of those who defend this choice not to make books retroactive are also those who wouldn't get nothing and just want others not to get what they deserve and have played for?

It doesn't quite apply here. You paid for a good (a car) you actually got and used it for a whole year before it got replaced by a new model.

People who PLAYED the game before this update got NOTHING, just because they did stuff before developers finally decided to fix something in a game that's been broken for about two years.

Player could get rewards they've worked for now, but all we care is about economy... That's why Shadow Form is still there and got partially de-nerfed, ain't it?

Aera Lure · Nov 14, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Zeff Nut

Not sure how you can say this, an example is the auto industry (since you say any industry), say you go spend 70k on a sweet new luxury car, has everything you you think air, tilt, power everything, premium sound system, you're happy as a pig in shit.... next years model comes out, costs 65k and has nav system, OnStar type system, backup camera, more horsepower better mileage, do you say screw you car company, I bought my car last year and I didn't get all that cool stuff QQ I want it now, I bought my car last year I deserve it. What do you think think the car company would say

That example is product rollover, be it TV's, or your example, automobiles. I mean product support. I mean continual support of the same product, obviously. Possibly comparing to industry wasnt my best comparison.

Anet is screwing over older players by not allowing them the rewards they already worked for when they implemented a new reward system. Faction is retroactively applied. I have no idea why they thought that was important but retroactively applying campaign rewards was not.

I cant remember what characters completed what quests and actions to be deserved extra Faction, and I dont really care. However, not giving rewards for all the work put into Protector and Legendary Guardian titles is a different story. Its akin to wiping an investment system to allow new investors in with a clean slate but not return any percentage to the current investors before resetting the system.

Anet even admitted that they are shorting the older players when Regina said they discussed it but decided it would be too huge an influx of gold into the economy. That's a load of bull. Supposedly, according to Wiki, the combined amount of gold from a NM and a HM Shiro's book completed is a total of 10k gold. Means probably 30k gold for someone who completed Legendary Guardian. Fear that my 30k of new found wealth will wreck the economy? Fear that 30k gold to each Legendary Guardian holder will destroy the economy? I dont think so.

Its a specific choice made to encourage everyone to come back and play and grind more, irregardless of whether or not they already did. Rewarding the older players retroactively would bring them back while simultaneously injecting the community with the newer players pursuing wider gameplay options. More importantly than that though, is its fair. Fair for those no matter where they are, or were, with title pursuit. It could have been fair. They specifically chose not to be.

It also has nothing to do with rewards, in my case. What the hell am I going to do with 30k more gold, really? I think it was 100k experience also for the completion of NM and HM Shiro's book, so it might be 300k experience due a Legendary Guardian holder. Woo. What am I going to do with more experience? I am simply upset about the lack of fairness in implementation. Its simply the principle of the decision that upsets me. A choice by Anet to favor one part of the community over the other on this issue and disregard the time spent by players completing Protector and Legendary Guardian titles, means it can happen on any other issue, which means its unwise to invest time on the game. It undoes a core founding trust between player and developer.

It sets a precedent that they really dont need to honor any time investment that any of us make, or have that be of any consideration when they adjust things that affect titles into which many have devoted many hundreds of hours. They simply chose, at will, to do it unfairly.

So yes, screw Anet. Fiery. Pit. Of. Hell.

phan · Nov 14, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Travaail

officially the worst concieved update ever, why don't we just give noobs everything right out of presearing? apparently AN never thought that this might piss off those of us who spent time getting titles on multiple characters? only to get on and see everyone have them now..making every single rank title easier..what a load. i officially quit unless they reverse this update. might as well just give noobs 1000k, chaos gaunts, and GWAMM title right out of pre..way to ruin all of our accomplishments AN

I laughed ..

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Chime in time.

OK for all of you people that have been playing for years and find this unfair. I say about time.

if you started playing when GW came out you have used ANet's game for 36 months at a cost of 4 dollars and 34 cents per month if you have all of the chapters. SO shut up.
I am tired of hearing it. Just quit. Stop wreaking things for the new players. When was the last time you went and helped someone through a mission without charging a fee? Give it a rest already.

Anet thanks for the wonderful update. I have been working hard on my treasure hunter and Lucky/Unlucky titles for some time now. I have broken over 1,000,000 gold in lockpicks so far and anything that will lesson that is fantastic since I can not get to the 9 rings game because I did not want to shell out 50 bucks to get it since GW2 is coming out soon. I hope in 2010 so that I can fill my hall by them.

As for the grind I personally love the grind. It becomes familiar to me. I work for weeks perfecting a build and then mush it along. Currently I am farming the Charr Carvings at an undisclosed location. I figure that I can get a stack a day so I have over 30 days left before winters day so that I can get 1/4 of my party animal title right off the bat.

Thanks ANET

Raging against ragers .. is still raging ?

imnotyourmother · Nov 14, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Chime in time.

OK for all of you people that have been playing for years and find this unfair. I say about time.

if you started playing when GW came out you have used ANet's game for 36 months at a cost of 4 dollars and 34 cents per month if you have all of the chapters. SO shut up.
I am tired of hearing it. Just quit. Stop wreaking things for the new players. When was the last time you went and helped someone through a mission without charging a fee? Give it a rest already.

Anet thanks for the wonderful update. I have been working hard on my treasure hunter and Lucky/Unlucky titles for some time now. I have broken over 1,000,000 gold in lockpicks so far and anything that will lesson that is fantastic since I can not get to the 9 rings game because I did not want to shell out 50 bucks to get it since GW2 is coming out soon. I hope in 2010 so that I can fill my hall by them.

As for the grind I personally love the grind. It becomes familiar to me. I work for weeks perfecting a build and then mush it along. Currently I am farming the Charr Carvings at an undisclosed location. I figure that I can get a stack a day so I have over 30 days left before winters day so that I can get 1/4 of my party animal title right off the bat.

Thanks ANET

t00115577 · Nov 14, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Hmm, im not sure how i feel about this update haha.

Its good for new players, but sucks for the old school ones who have done it already. I wasnt forced to do it before, and enjoyed it, but i do feel that there should be something given to players who have done it already.

Ill prob do it all again anyway, but I can just see where the QQ'ers are coming from.

Overall this was an excellent update I think, it might spark some life back into places like FA.

But why oh why is SF still able to be perma, I just dont understand it. Its way too overpowered, I do UWSC but I still dont think it should be in the game.

IMO the only way to fix this game is to remove all pve skills, consumables, and make a new Uber Hard Mode which has no titles linked to it. Just play it for fun.

Gill Halendt · Nov 14, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

if you started playing when GW came out you have used ANet's game for 36 months at a cost of 4 dollars and 34 cents per month if you have all of the chapters. SO shut up.
I am tired of hearing it. Just quit. Stop wreaking things for the new players. When was the last time you went and helped someone through a mission without charging a fee? Give it a rest already.

No comment. I spent half of my player life helping people. Never asked even a single gold coin in exchange. I enjoyed playing. So? Why on Earth do new player have to get a reward for PLAYING then? Get rid of books altogether, playing and having fun is enough as a reward, for both new and seasoned players. How's about that?

As I said, people thinking this is fair are only those envious people who wouldn't get nothing and enjoy players who DESERVE it not getting it as well.

Abedeus · Nov 14, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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When was the last time you went and helped someone through a mission without charging a fee? Give it a rest already.

When was the last time a PuG idiot did what you ASKED him to do, but instead he rushed and made a simple 15-minute mission into a 45-minute boss fight that didn't end the mission, but was only the beginning?

A lot of changes in this updates were great. I finally got r2 wisdom, mainly because I had 3 gold farmers (my main, elementalist farmer and monk farmer) and I couldn't care to give all golds to just my main char...

Also, Kurzick/Luxon changes are FTW... If now I only had a guild to begin with. Or just access to AB.

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GW2 is coming out soon.

*snort* sorry, made my smile.

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Stop wreaking things for the new players.

We are only asking to be treated equally with the new players. They get the book rewards when they play the mission for the 1st time and we can't get after doing the same mission, and bonus, FOUR TIMES? Jesus Christ, I mean, to just SEE what kind of reward awaits for me, I have to do the same missions for the FIFTH time? No idea what kind of a sick person could enjoy doing the same thing (remind you - 18 missions, long, boring missions that in total will take 9-11 hours) over and over.

chessyang · Nov 14, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

nice up date Anet+dev team+GW crew

=)

keep up the good work.

Aera Lure · Nov 14, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

SO shut up. I am tired of hearing it. Just quit. Stop wreaking things for the new players.

Nice retort. You raise some well thought out points. Have a cookie. /sarcasm

Just what am I wreaking, anyway, by pointing out how a long time player might feel betrayed and how Anet could have chosen another path? Doesnt affect you at all.

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When was the last time you went and helped someone through a mission without charging a fee? Give it a rest already.

You make erroneous assumptions and your insulting natures belies your immaturity. Many older players miss Prophecies and Factions days when people actually played together. Some older players no longer care about gold in game or make it their primary focus. Most runners these days are newer players. The old school runners I know now do it just for fun. When I do it, I dont even bring anyone along. I do it for nostalgia and the gameplay itself.

And get off your high horse about thinking that an older player doesnt help people or hasnt in ages. That was all I used to do. Bring my monk to missions that needed help and join PUGs for the sheer fun of playing with people until the days heroes killed all of that. Prior to then, I completed 20 Protectors titles entirely in PUGs. By choice. For the fun of it. Maybe you have met some older players that refused to help you, or refused to take you along, or refused to play without heroes and I am sorry about that, but dont stray off-topic and include me in that generalization.

Kushiels_Scion · Nov 14, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

I don't mind the HFFF nerf at all. I would never max the title with it being the only "efficient" and fast way to farm the points. Now with the changes, I don't have to suffer a boring way to do it.

Nice changes!